Alexander Dugin: Ukraine, Russia and “Westernia”

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by Alexander Dugin

There are Ukrainians and Western Ukrainians. These are two different social, national, ethnic, and cultural groups. Ukrainians are a West Russian ethnos which recognizes its historic unity with Eastern Slavs and Velikorossy (a historic term meaning “Great Russes,” often translated as “Great Russians”) as the core of the Eastern Slavs and the creators of an autonomous and powerful Eastern Slavic Orthodox State. Thus, Ukrainians are not simply “our people,” they are a part of us and, ultimately, they are we ourselves. They are not different, they are the same.

Western Ukrainians are a sub-ethnos, which historically separated itself from the Western Russian population, formed in Volhynia and Galicia, having experienced significant Polonization and the influence of Catholicism (in the form of the Uniate—Eastern Catholic—Church). Western Ukrainians consider themselves an autonomous group, opposing themselves to other Eastern Slavs (first and foremost, these are Velikorossy, “moskali” (a derogatory term that means “Russians”)), Orthodox peoples, but also Poles and Austrians. Therefore, they have never had (and will never have) statehood, since it is impossible to build a State on the basis of hatred toward all surrounding peoples.

Modern-day Ukraine houses people with a Ukrainian identity and a Western Ukrainian identity. Making peace between them was the goal of the Ukrainian state that existed between 1991 and 2014. Ukraine’s political elite failed to do so. The Western Ukrainian minority insisted that the entire modern-day Ukraine must possess a single—Western—identity, thereby opposing the rest of the Ukrainians. Thus, it was they who ultimately destroyed contemporary Ukraine. Thanks to them, that Ukraine is already dead. And the more they scream that it has not died, the faster and more irreversibly it continues to die.

Ahead of us is the final schism of the Ukrainian space into two halves: the Western part headed by Kiev (Pravoberezhie, the Right River Bank) and the South-East, which is dominated by the Ukrainian (Orthodox East Slavic) identity. Crimea has been reunited with Russia, so what is left is the appearance of a new essentially Ukrainian (but not Western Ukrainian) State—Novorossiya (literally, “New Russia”). It will both be independent and friendly toward Russia.

This State may, indeed, form, but this is not a guarantee. It is over this area that the real struggle begins.

What is left for Western Ukrainians is the construction of their Galician-Volhynian State, “Westernia,” on the Right River Bank. Most likely, this project is doomed to failure. The reasons are as follows:

First of all, Western Ukrainians will never abandon their claims to control South-Eastern Ukraine (Novorossiya). Therefore, this is where the conflict lines will be drawn.

Second, the Western Ukrainian identity is strictly anti-Polish, whereas Poland considers its former possessions in the Volhynia region to be historically justified, nor have the Poles forgotten about the ethnic cleansing of their ancestors by the so-called Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

Third, “Westernia” is exclusively oriented toward the U.S., not continental Europe, which will create tensions with the European Union.

Fourth, Galician ultra-nationalism will become obvious to the West sooner or later, and it is doubtful that anyone would want to deal with this kind of a regime on serious terms.

And, finally, this kind of ultra-nationalism will create tensions with Rusyns in the South-West (Carpathian Rus), Hungarians, and other ethnic minorities.

Therefore, the Right River Bank State will collapse, proving one truth: that which was never part of history cannot last for long.

It is obvious that there will be no dialogue between Russia and Western Ukrainians. Each time they crawl out, they will strictly and deservingly get “kicked in the teeth.” In contrast, history and fate themselves dictate not only a dialogue but brotherly unity between Ukrainians and Russians. And here we face a very important moment: Russia must act not as an enemy, but as a friend and patron of the Ukrainian identity. The Ukrainian ethnos, language, culture are all part of our spiritual and historic wealth. If Western Ukrainians, with their current negative identity, only deserve a “kick in the jaw” from us, then Ukrainians are worthy of love, friendship, and the most gentle and attentive kind of a relationship. We must not insist on the Russification of Ukrainians, but instead act as the guarantors of safekeeping and developing their culture, language, and identity.


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3 Responses to Alexander Dugin: Ukraine, Russia and “Westernia”

  1. drjjrogers says:

    The best way to prove this theory is through DNA genetic studies. Several studies were conducted by both Western & Russian scientists. The Slav groups with 56% Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups and Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups. Yet two paternal haplogroups predominate: R1a1a [M17] and I2a2a [L69.2=T/S163.2]. are from Poland, Ukraine and Belorussia. There were also traces of Viking & Scythian, Greek, Serbian DNA.

    Specific studies of Slavic genetics show several Slavic populations with the aim of localizing the Proto-Slavic homeland.[79] The significant findings of this study are that:

    Two genetically distant groups of Slavic populations were revealed: One encompassing all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and few Southern-Slavic populations (north-western Croats and Slovenes), and one encompassing all remaining Southern Slavs. According to the studies most Slavic populations have similar Y chromosome pools — R1a. They speculate that this similarity can be traced to an origin in the middle Dnieper basin of Ukraine during the Late Glacial Maximum

    In 2008, biochemist Boris Abramovich Malyarchuk (Russian: Борис Абрамович Малярчук) et al. of the Institute of Biological Problems of the North, Russian Academy of Sciences, Magadan, Russia, used a sample (n=279) of Czech individuals to determine the frequency of “Mongoloid” “mtDNA lineages”.

    Malyarchuk found Czech mtDNA lineages were typical of “Slavic populations” with “1.8%” Mongoloid mtDNA lineage.[87] Malyarchuk added that “Slavic populations” “almost always” contain Mongoloid mtDNA lineage.[87] Malyarchuk said the Mongoloid component of Slavic people was partially added before the split of “Balto-Slavics” in 2,000–3,000 BC with additional Mongoloid mixture occurring among Slavics in the last 4,000 years.[87] Malyarchuk said the “Russian population” was developed by the “assimilation of the indigenous pre-Slavic population of Eastern Europe by true Slavs” with additional “assimilation of Finno-Ugric populations” and “long-lasting” interactions with the populations of “Siberia” and “Central Asia”.[87] Malyarchuk said that other Slavs “Mongoloid component” was increased during the waves of migration from “steppe populations (Huns, Avars, Bulgars and Mongols)”, especially the decay of the “Avar Khaganate”.[87]

    The Russians from North Western Russia have a DNA mixture of Slav, (20-40%) Finn, Other Finno tribes with traces of Mongol, Pomor, Uralic, Finno-Ugric Tartar etc DNA Genes (50-60%). The South western Russian Slavs have a higher Slav % (30 – 45%). The balance of the DNA is a mixture of Mongol, Tartar, Persian, Indo-Euroasian mixes. The south central Siberian Russians have 20-40% Slav and the balance of Siberian and Central Asian, Pontic-Caspian, Euro-Asian (Mongol-Indo- Asian etc).

    I suggest that researches with higher samples than 2,500 be conducted by the Kremlin together with Berlin to provide conclusive scientific DNA results of the modern Slavic people who carry the Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups and Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups before they make any claims to Pure Slav roots. The word Rus came from the Vikings who settled in the Kiev region.

  2. pq01 says:

    That detailed genetic analysis by drjjrogers to me has eerie echoes of the racist elements of Nazi ubermenschism. This is ironic when a supposedly “Christian” orthodox school claims to revere the Bible which asked, “Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?”

    It’s also fair to ask if your introductory wording does not itself reveal an artificial bias: the Ukrainian language and culture identify it distinctly, yet it is the cultural/linguistic Russians you call true Ukrainians, and the cultural/linguistic Ukrainians you call “Western Ukrainians”, as if subhumanly unworthy of their own name. It’s almost as one called “Donbassi” Russians and the true Russians themselves mere “Eastern Russians.” Logically you would expect “Ukrainians” and maybe “Eastern Ukrainians”, yet no. Language should serve truth as best it can, not ideology.

    It seems equally ironic to mention the Poles as hostile to the Ukrainians (in what seems to me the more normal, unforced sense of the word) when the Poles themselves as I understand it have been paying very close attention to Russia’s annexative efforts and even responded to one aerial intrusion with cannon fire, driving the Russian craft back – and practically all the similar former Soviet satellite states from the Czechs to even the Albanians are not only taking steps to ensure their hard-won independence is not taken from them, but also voicing solidarity with the Ukraine. I wish for the brotherhood of all Slavic peoples as positively as I wish it for all humanity, but tribalism is our enemy, not our friend. If you will forgive the illustration, it was the excesses of the former Muscovite empire in our time that led to the Polish joke about an East German and Russian soldier invading Poland with the question of whom Poles should shoot first (answer – the East German: duty always before pleasure). However offensive it seems, it serves as the vital reminder that none of these former republics wish themselves subject to what you seem to envision as a former tsarist or Soviet empire. It seems a simple enough concept to me anyway.

    I am not an expert in these matters, but I remember reading a post by a Ukrainian from the east who considered himself a citizen of both worlds; his comment was that it was as naive to suppose that all Rossiski in the east desired to be part of Russia (Novorossiya if you insist) as it was to assume that all hispanics in California had any remote desire to become part of Mexico. And it begins to seem like the FSB has played a more active role in the attempted destabilization of the east region than a mere remote moral supporter of an “independent” uprising. Consider this from an official press release from the Ukraine Security Service on April 28:

    “Within the anti-terrorist operation (ATO) the SSU CI Division managed to establish a real name of the officer of the Main Intelligence Department (GRU) of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces who is known in Ukraine as Ihor Strielkov (aka ‘Strielok’). He is a Russian national, colonel Ihor Vsevolodovych Girkin, DOB 17 December 1970, passport of a Russian citizen No. 4506460961, registered in Moscow at the address: Apt. 136, 8b Shenkurskii passage. He has previously numerous times visited Ukraine with a foreign passport. February 26, 2014, was the last time that he legally crossed Ukrainian border when arrived in Simferopol on a flight from Sheremetievo. On the night of February 26 a seizure of the Crimean Supreme Council took place commencing annexation of the peninsula.”

    I disapprove of similar subversions by the CIA, but this means an active Russian GRU colonel flew into the Ukraine under a foreign passport for reconnaissance, then flew back in again the day the mysterious “green men” seized buildings in Crimean cities. I would have had no problem with Russia negotiating with the Ukraine for the Crimea, but I think it’s obvious Russia played as subtle but central a role there as the US did in the “overthrow” of Mossadegh in Iran, and we should not pretend Russia’s hands are any purer. I doubt that Ukrainian helicopter with 25 or so men on board was it, was shot down with a simple rifle rather than a Russian military antiaircraft missile. I liked the video AnonAF (you?) linked on the CIA subject before, but look at this too (assuming I do this right, otherwise just copy out the link and paste in a browser tab yourself) and see if this individual sounds like a local native independent, or instead the Russian GRU colonel described above:

    I continue to read things like Russia Today to balance the news I get here, but I remain skeptical of what I fear risks becoming, without the intent to be rude, a nationalist protofascism as the response. I personally believe extremes are not the answer to extremes.

    A few contrarian questions as hopefully food for thought.

  3. pq01 says:

    And if that link fails, as it seems to have to me after posting, the direct address to the video should be

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